杨澜访谈录:专访希拉里(英汉对照)

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      DragonTVInterview: DevelopingaComprehensive, IntegratedDialogueWithChina
      HillaryRodhamClinton

      SecretaryofState

      InterviewWithYangLanofDragonTV

      Beijing, China

      February 22, 2009

      MS. YANG:ButthisisabeautifulEmbassy.

      SECRETARYCLINTON:Isn'tit? Iamsoproudandimpressedbyit. Ittookalongtimetobuild, butitisverybeautifulandveryfunctional. AndthearchitectureisChinese-inspired, soit'sreallyawonderfuladditiontoourembassycommunity.

      MS. YANG:Andsoyouaregoingbacktoday, right?

      SECRETARYCLINTON:Yes. Ihavetogobacktoday.

      MS. YANG:Andjustintimetocelebrateyourdaughter's 29thbirthday.

      SECRETARYCLINTON:That'strue. Shewillbe 29 onFriday. AndIamverymuchlookingforwardtoseeingherforabirthdaydinner.

      MS. YANG:Okay. Sowhatkindofpathdoyouliketoseehertake? IknowshehasbeenstudyinghealthpolicyandmanagementatColumbia.

      SECRETARYCLINTON:That'sright. Ithinksheissomeonewhochartsherownpath, andIamveryimpressedanddelightedatthechoicesthatshehasmade. Ijust, likemostmothers, wanthertobehappyandhaveagoodlife. AndthatisreallyallIwishforher.

      MS. YANG:Doessheresembleyouinthewaysthatshedoesthings?

      SECRETARYCLINTON:Ithinksheisagoodcombinationofbothherfatherandme. Shehasaverywonderfulpersonality, andsheisahardworker, andsheisagoodfriendandacaringperson. SoIamjustveryhappytobehermother.

      MS. YANG:IknowyouhavejusthadadialoguewiththeChinesewomen. Someofthemyouhaveknownfor 11 years. Well, totheyoungergenerationofwomen, likeyourdaughters, whatkindofadvicewouldyouliketogivetothosewhoaspiretosucceedandlead, butcouldbeafraidoffailure?

      SECRETARYCLINTON:Well, that'sagoodwayofphrasingthequestion, becauseIthinkthatovercomingyourfears, whetheryou'reayoungwomanorayoungman, tobewillingtotakearisk, totrysomethingdifferent, tofollowyourheart, topursueyourdreams, takesacertainlevelofcourage.

      AndIjusttrytotellyoungpeoplewhoaskmeallthetimewhatIthinkaboutthebestwayforwardistobetruetothemselves, youknow, tolistentotheirownheart, todowhatgivesthemjoyinlife, andmeaningintheirpublicandprofessionalcareers. AndIthinkifyoudothat, youmaychange, youmaytakeadifferentpath. Butifyoucankeepfocusedonwhatyoubelieveisimportant, Ithinkthat'sthebestwaytoproceed.

      MS. YANG:Let'sgetbacktothistrip. InyourtestimonytotheSenateForeignRelationsCommittee, yousuggestedthatU.S. shouldusesmartpowertohandleinternationalissues. Howisthatapproach, orstrategy, reflectedinyourAsiantrip, especiallyyourtriptoChina?

      SECRETARYCLINTON:Well, itisourgoalintheObamaadministrationtoreachouttotherestoftheworldusingeverytoolatourdisposal. IliketotalkaboutthethreeD'sofourforeignpolicy: defense, diplomacy, development.

      Wewanttoemphasize, particularly, diplomacyanddevelopment. AndwhatIhavetriedtodointhemonththatIhavehadthispositionistomakeclearthatwewillrepresentanddefendtheinterestsandthesecurityandthevaluesoftheUnitedStates, butwewanttolisten.

      Wearedifferentcountriesanddifferentcultures. ChinaandtheUnitedStateshaveverydifferenthistories. Andweneedtounderstandeachotherbettersothatwecanfindmorecommonground. AndIwasencouragedbymytalkswithyourleadership, thatthereareanumberofareaswecanworkontogether.

      Weareconstructing, andhaveagreed, inprinciple, toastrategicandeconomicdialoguethatwillnotonlyincludetheeconomiccrisis, whichisveryimportant, thatChinaandAmericaleadonarecovery, globally, butcleanenergyandclimatechange, andmoreeducationalexchanges, andpeople-to-peopleexchanges, moreworkonhealthcare, medicine, science.

      Iwanttodeepenandbroadentheconnections, notonlybetweengovernmentofficials, asimportantatthatis, butbetweenallkindsofChineseandAmericans.

      MS. YANG:Youknow, formerTreasurySecretaryPaulsonusedtochampiontheU.S.-SinodialogueinthestructureoftheStrategicEconomicDialogue. HaveyouconvincedPresidentObamatolettheStateDepartmenttakebackthereigns? And, ifso, whatkindofnewframeworkofdialoguearewetalkingabout?

      SECRETARYCLINTON:Well, wearegoingtohaveacomprehensive, integrateddialogue. Itwillbeco-chairedbymyselfandtheTreasurySecretary, becauseIthinktherewasanawarenessthatourpriorengagementatthedialoguelevel, government-to-government, wasveryheavilydominatedbyeconomicconcerns, andbytraditionalTreasurypriorities. Theyareveryimportantbutthatisnottheonlyhigh-leveldialoguethatneedstooccur.

      So, wehavealwayshadalotofinteractionatmanylevelsofourgovernments. Butwhatwewanttodoistointegratethose, andtohaveourtwoPresidents, whentheymeetattheG-20 summitinApril, announcethemechanismthatwewillbepursuingnow.

      MS. YANG:Haveyoufoundtheterminologytodefinetherelationshipbetweenourtwocountries? Becauseunderyourhusband'sadministrationwecalledit "constructivestrategicpartnership," andthen, intheBushadministrationwecalledit "stakeholders." Haveyoufoundthenewwordsyet?

      SECRETARYCLINTON:Well, I'mnotasinterestedinthewordsasintheactions. Ithinkthatwehaveevolveddramaticallyinourrelationshipoverthe 30 yearsthatwehavehaddiplomaticrelations. ChinahasgrownjustexponentiallyinawaythatisarealtributetothepeopleofChina.

      ButwhatwenowneedtodoisdemonstratethattheUnitedStatesandChinacanworkproductivelytogether, notonlyonthoseissuesthatwehavebilateralconcernsover, buttoshowleadershiptotherestoftheworld.

      Ifyoujusttaketwomajorissuesconfrontingtheworld, Idon'tthinkit'srealistictoexpectthatwewillseeglobalrecoverywithoutChineseandAmericancooperationandleadership. IknowthatitisnotrealistictoexpectthatwecandealwithglobalclimatechangewithouttheUnitedStatesandChinaworkingtogether.

      So, whatwearetalkingaboutisveryconcreteandspecific. Itisnotsomuchthedescription, astherealityandthecontentofwhatwewilldotogetherthatwe'refocusingon.

      MS. YANG:Okay. YouquotedChinesestory, (speaksChinese), whichmeans, "Weareinthesameboat" totackleeconomiccrisis.

      SECRETARYCLINTON:Yes.

      MS. YANG:Yet, atthesametime, the "BuyAmerican" rhetorictriggeredanotherroundoffearofprotectionism. HowwouldtheU.S. governmentreconciletheinternationalresponsibilitywiththedemandofdomesticconstituencies?

      SECRETARYCLINTON:Well, PresidentObamawasveryquicktoact, andtomakeclearthatwearenotgoingtoengageinprotectionism. And, withrespecttotheprovisionthatwasinthestimuluspackage, itmustbecompliantwithourinternationalagreements.

      WeknowthataroundofprotectionismisnotinAmerica'sinterests. It'simportantthatweworkwithcountrieslikeChina, andothers, toestablishaframeworkforrenewedeconomicgrowthandprosperity.

      Now, wealsohaveworktodoathome. Notonlydowehavetostimulateoureconomy, butwehavetobeworkingtoenhanceourmanufacturingbase, workonourautomobileindustry. Sowehavealotofinternaldecision-makingthatisimportanttooureconomicfuture. AndIthinkChinadoes, too. mean, Chinaisstimulatingyoureconomyatthecentralgovernmentlevel. Youarelookingtodealwithproblemslikemigrantworkerswhonolongerhavejobs.

      So, weeachhaveourowninternaldomesticchallenges. Butwecannotsolvethoseattheexpenseofgeneratingglobalgrowthagain, whichwillbenefitbothofourpeople.

      MS. YANG:Youcertainlyhaveyourhandsfull, withallsortsofchallengesandproblemsaroundtheworld, fromIraqtoGazaStrip, fromnuclearproliferationtoclimatechange. Andthen, ofcourse, theeconomiccrisis.

      Howwouldyousetanachievabletargetforyourterm, assecretaryofstate?

      SECRETARYCLINTON:Well, it'strue, thatwehavecomeintoofficeatatimeofsomanyproblems. Youmentionedafewofthemostwellknown. Idon'tknowthatwecanpickandchoose. It'soneofthereasonswhyIhaveadvocatedtheappointmentofspecialenvoys, becauseIthinkweneed, astheysay, allhandsondeck. Everyonehastoworkhardtogethertotrytountanglesomeoftheseproblems, tolookforsolutionswherepossible.

      So, Idon'thavetheluxuryofsaying, "Iwillonlyworkonthis." Ihavetobeveryconsciousofeverythinggoingonintheworld. ButIdidchoosetocome, formyfirsttrip, toAsia, becauseIwanttosendaclearmessagethattheUnitedStatesisbothatrans-Pacific, aswellasatrans-Atlanticpower, andthatmuchofwhatweseeasthepotentialforpositivegrowthandgoodrelationsinthe 21stcenturywillcomewithAsiancountrieslikeChina.

      MS. YANG:Thankyouverymuchforyourtime, althoughitfallsshortofmyquestions. Well, canIsqueezejustonemore?

      SECRETARYCLINTON:Sure.

      MS. YANG:DoyouthinkthatChinashouldfurtherinvestintoAmericantreasurybonds? Becausethereisadebatehere - withunclearfuture, weshouldstopbuyingmore.

      SECRETARYCLINTON:Well, IcertainlydothinkthattheChinesegovernmentandthecentralbankhereinChinaismakingaverysmartdecisionbycontinuingtoinvestintreasurybondsfortworeasons.

      First, becauseit'sagoodinvestment. It'sasafeinvestment. Evendespitetheeconomicchallengessweepingovertheworld, theUnitedStateshasawell-deservedfinancialstabilityreputation.

      And, secondly, becauseoureconomiesaresointertwined. TheChineseknowthat, inordertostartexportingagaintoitsbiggestmarket, namely, theUnitedStates, theUnitedStateshastotakesomeverydrasticmeasureswiththisstimuluspackage, whichmeanswehavetoincurmoredebt.

      ItwouldnotbeinChina'sinterestifwewereunabletogetoureconomymovingagain. So, bycontinuingtosupportAmericantreasuryinstruments, theChinesearerecognizingourinterconnection. Wearetrulygoingtoriseorfalltogether. Weareinthesameboat. And, thankfully, wearerowinginthesamedirection, towardlandfall.

      MS. YANG:Okay. Sowehavetokeeprowing?

      SECRETARYCLINTON:Yes.

      MS. YANG:Thankyouverymuch, SecretaryClinton.

      SECRETARYCLINTON:Thankyou.

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